tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post2961024616484843854..comments2023-06-01T10:52:44.280-04:00Comments on The Gospel-Driven Church: Undercover in an Unholy MessJaredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07454966527986478217noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-42197623898618577232008-05-08T12:46:00.000-04:002008-05-08T12:46:00.000-04:00When it gets abused is when, as I have heard from ...<I>When it gets abused is when, as I have heard from those under the leadership of zealous "Wild at Heart" devotees, it is insisted that everyone has a childhood wound and if you can't/don't think of one, you're in denial.</I><BR/><BR/>Last time somebody used "you're in denial" on me, it was a sexual predator trying to convince me I was gay so he could get into my pants. (I didn't fall for it.)<BR/><BR/><I>Then we would have teaching/Bible-study sessions led by Fortenberry on the theme of the moment (e.g., "Admit the Truth About Our Wounds") that lasted an hour or so. Then, after Fortenberry would waste at least half the session ... we would go back to the group session and confess some more.</I><BR/><BR/>"Confess" or "Enlightened Self-Criticism in the Name of The Party"? How does this "Youth Camp for grown-ups" differ from high-pressure brainwashing?<BR/><BR/><I>With a little rhetorical tweaking and much better food, this could easily have been Tony Robbins instructing a bunch of Upper East Side housewives to "find your wounds" ("My husband hid my Saks card!") at a chic resort in Miami Beach or the Hamptons.</I><BR/><BR/>Like to see someone give that testimony to someone who had a number on their arm courtesy of Auschwitz. (Or something similar, i.e. You don't know what REAL wounds are, shmuck.)<BR/><BR/><I>I haven't even gotten to the chaotic tongues-and-vomiting deliverance session...</I><BR/><BR/>"Grovel and gambol on all fours,<BR/>Until you prove beyond repute<BR/>That human dignity is freed<BR/>From all connection with the brute..."<BR/>-- G.K.Chesterton, writing about a Pentecostal demonstration in support of the Scopes Monkey TrialAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-53649471601611506562008-04-30T14:51:00.000-04:002008-04-30T14:51:00.000-04:00Wow. What a way to return to blogging after 2 week...Wow. What a way to return to blogging after 2 weeks of internet free living. Sad piece, great commentary on that sad piece.GLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14383733755587441532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-87283192593437398072008-04-29T23:17:00.000-04:002008-04-29T23:17:00.000-04:00I'm not sure I can add much to Bill's insightful c...I'm not sure I can add much to Bill's insightful commentary. :-D<BR/><BR/>"So under no circumstances pray to God."<BR/><BR/>Uh, sure, that's Biblical.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-18996934202212483172008-04-29T15:37:00.000-04:002008-04-29T15:37:00.000-04:00Scandalizing people with the cross is a good thing...Scandalizing people with the cross is a good thing. Scandalizing people with this sort of behavior . . . no.Rob Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13744370123241743193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-65855188708093856772008-04-29T14:29:00.000-04:002008-04-29T14:29:00.000-04:00I second Bill's Wow! Unfortunately, I imagine we'...I second Bill's Wow! Unfortunately, I imagine we'll just get more and more of this kind of thing in the near-term. Your commentary, btw, is right on the money.Bob Spencerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06400471363764020869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-68198051770404894362008-04-29T14:07:00.000-04:002008-04-29T14:07:00.000-04:00"We exist to please God" Most definitely, and some..."We exist to please God" Most definitely, and sometimes pleasing God means displeasing men. But this stuff doesn't begin to fit into the pleasing God category.Fred Shopehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05993039629949819266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-28866582342328415012008-04-29T11:20:00.000-04:002008-04-29T11:20:00.000-04:00Wow.Awful . . .Wow.<BR/><BR/>Awful . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com