tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post757409756393296447..comments2023-06-01T10:52:44.280-04:00Comments on The Gospel-Driven Church: The Necessity of Harsh Words for False TeachingJaredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07454966527986478217noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-15420707794618560782011-03-24T13:08:31.800-04:002011-03-24T13:08:31.800-04:00Thoughtful article Jared. Thanks for sharing.
...Thoughtful article Jared. Thanks for sharing. <br /><br />I believe this is true with all my heart and we should confront false teachers. My problem is not that I disagree, but where do you draw the line? I guess I have the same question as TW.<br /><br />I have a hypercalvinist friend who views passages like this one in Galatians and Matt. 23 as normative for our Christian walk. He then defines as a false teacher anyone that disagrees with him. Any comment on a discussion thread constitutes false teaching and deserves public ridicule. He routinely blasts believers and non-believers alike that question him and tells people that the message we should be telling people is, “God hates you with a passion.”<br /><br />So much of the discourse on the web these days is rancorous and divisive and I routinely see those people use this line of reasoning to justify their tone. How DO we reconcile the meek and gentle savior with the one who confronted the Pharisees in Matthew 23? I know as a Christian it’s important to find that balance, I’m just not sure how to define it.<br /><br />I can’t get this to post using my google account because it says it won’t accept cookies so I have to post it anonymously, sorry for that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-11805296035433522852011-03-23T13:44:03.073-04:002011-03-23T13:44:03.073-04:00Excellent article Jared.
By any chance have you e...Excellent article Jared.<br /><br />By any chance have you ever heard of this story by John the Apostle, the disciple whom Jesus loved:<br /><br />"John went to the public baths in Ephesus and saw the gnostic Cerinthus there. Immediately, he rushed out of the bath house, shouting, "Let us flee, lest the bath house fall down! For Cerinthus, the enemy of the truth, is within""<br /><br />Looks like John, the Apostle of Love, found it necessary to use harsh words for false teaching <i>and for false teachers,</i> calling Cerinthus an enemy of the truth.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-23435981905615277562011-03-23T10:44:37.060-04:002011-03-23T10:44:37.060-04:00Jamie, yep.
Also: Go down about 8 posts from this...Jamie, yep.<br /><br />Also: Go down about 8 posts from this one on the main page and you'll see one titled "Why I'm Thankful for False Teachers." ;-)Jaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07454966527986478217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-48636215121116307382011-03-23T10:33:47.555-04:002011-03-23T10:33:47.555-04:00Here's a curious thought. Should we be "t...Here's a curious thought. Should we be "thankful" for false teachers? Church history seems to show that heresy awakens the Church to solidify her doctrines and answer nagging questions definitively. <br />It reminds me of God as the vinedresser. He cuts off the dead branches and creates a healthier vine. <br />Isn't heresy a pruning of the church? <br />Secondly, doctrinally there closed hand and open hand issues. <br />What style of worship music do you have? Open hand.<br />Was Jesus the son of God? Closed hand.<br />The confusion comes when someone tries to move a closed hand issue to an open one or the other way. That's were discernment matters.Jamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383669114658926374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-57198638058637681692011-03-23T07:04:32.351-04:002011-03-23T07:04:32.351-04:00Anonymous, would you say the Judaizers' error ...Anonymous, would you say the Judaizers' error was minor?Jaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07454966527986478217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-40183274722427875202011-03-23T01:06:48.188-04:002011-03-23T01:06:48.188-04:00Yes, he castigates the Judaizers in Phil. 3 but he...Yes, he castigates the Judaizers in Phil. 3 but he promotes unity in Phil. 1. The key is knowing what is major error and minor error.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-47830695397651101952011-03-22T12:38:29.433-04:002011-03-22T12:38:29.433-04:00May God, in HIs mercy, cut out the false teachers ...May God, in HIs mercy, cut out the false teachers in our churches today. And may He help us to identify them.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04122651240133543784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-38557944769537133502011-03-22T11:43:12.641-04:002011-03-22T11:43:12.641-04:00“The fathers, Jerome, Ambrose, Augustine, and Chry...“The fathers, Jerome, Ambrose, Augustine, and Chrysostom, explain it, “Would that they would even cut themselves off,” that is, cut off not merely the foreskin, but the whole member: if circumcision be not enough for them, then let them have excision also; an outburst hardly suitable to the gravity of an apostle. But Galatians 5:9-10 plainly point to excommunication as the judgment threatened against the troublers: and danger of the bad “leaven” spreading, as the reason for it.” ~ Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary<br />Many, if not most of the early church fathers were corrupted by their Roman Catholic mindset and did not rightly divide the Word of Truth. Use great caution when following in their steps, they lead down a path which is both dark and wide.Pastor Bruce Teggnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-41844951146459072642011-03-22T10:35:46.046-04:002011-03-22T10:35:46.046-04:00This is very awesome. True, and well said. Lots of...This is very awesome. True, and well said. Lots of people think that being harsh is always wrong, but you build a great case here for why that isn't true. I've seen people jump to the conclusion too often (mostly on blogs and micro blogs) that someone else is a false teacher, when really they are just a misled person, and it seems to me that most of the "wrong harshness" we see springs from that mistake. I'd love to see a post on how to determine false teachers from people in error. Thanks again for the excellent post!TWhttp://www.gotquestions.orgnoreply@blogger.com