tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post6967677048480434893..comments2023-06-01T10:52:44.280-04:00Comments on The Gospel-Driven Church: Guidelines for Finding Christ in the Old TestamentJaredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07454966527986478217noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-77833361068671009792011-05-19T14:13:03.651-04:002011-05-19T14:13:03.651-04:00Andrew, good question. You must've read this p...Andrew, good question. You must've read this post in your RSS reader, b/c I updated it shortly after posting to mention Galatians 4. Look at point #1 on the blog post under the Allegory section.<br /><br />I think two things:<br />a) Paul is not interpreting allegorically in the literary sense; meaning, he isn't saying Sarai and Hagar weren't real people. He is using them as an illustration.<br />b) He's Paul. ;-)<br /><br />No, what I mean is, Scripture interprets Scripture. We ought to have a legitimate clue elsewhere in the text that Joseph is allegorical of perseverance before we say the Bible wants us to see him represent perseverance. Paul tells us that Sarah and Hagar correspond to the covenants, so it's okay to go there. Outside of the text helping us make these leaps, we shouldn't make them, I think.Jaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07454966527986478217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-68803901630787044292011-05-19T14:02:28.818-04:002011-05-19T14:02:28.818-04:00Jared,
Great post.
One question, and it's on...Jared,<br /><br />Great post.<br /><br />One question, and it's one that gets thrown around a lot, I think: regarding the desire to stay away from allegory, what of Paul's use of Sarah and Hagar in Gal. 4? <br /><br />Andrew Faris<br /><a href="http://www.someonetellmethestory.com" rel="nofollow">Someone Tell Me the Story</a>Andrew Farishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12659181303107195871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-11469448467195722162011-05-19T09:51:39.192-04:002011-05-19T09:51:39.192-04:00Great post, Jared. Thanks for taking the time to ...Great post, Jared. Thanks for taking the time to explain this topic. It reminded me of an ancient way to interpret scripture. The acronym in Hebrew is PRDS. From http://www.ourchurch.com/member/h/heb-biblestudy/index.php?p=1_13_PARDES:<br /><br />P – Pashat – Simple. This is the first level of understanding, the literal meaning. This is where you apply the historical grammatical rules. This is the keystone to Scriptural understanding and without PASHAT, we lose any real chance at an accurate understanding. It is no wonder that the Talmud twice warns us: “No passage loses its PASHAT” (b.Shab.63a, b.Yeg 24a)<br /><br /><br />R – Remez – Hint. The next level is the implied meaning of the text. Peculiarities in the text are regarded as hinting at a deeper truth than that are conveyed in PASHAT. For example when the old Testament makes a reference to the eyes and we see the passage referring to eyes literally, we may also see a will hint at a possible spiritual or symbolic reference to eyes. Also the Hebrew text may have what appear as irregularities that could be viewed as mistakes in writing but are actually viewed as divine inspiration, such as an enlarged letter or one that is raised above the line of the text. It is believed that these idiosyncrasies are actually hints to deeper meaning in the text. <br /><br /> <br />D – Drash – Search. If you agree to a deeper meaning you then search for an allegorical, typological or homiletic (spiritual) application. Creativity is used to search the text in relation to the rest of Scripture or life. Another way to put it might be “What is God saying to me personally through this verse?”<br /><br />S – Sōd – Hidden. This is the final level of understanding, the final chamber into the treasure room. In I Corinthians 2:7-16 Paul suggest that had the Sages really entered into SOD, they would not have crucified Jesus. This process often involves returning the letters of a word to their prime-material state and giving them new form in order to reveal a hidden meaning. An example is found in Revelation 13:18 where the identity of the Beast is expressed by its numeric value 666.<br /><br />Does this go along with what you are saying about finding Jesus in the OT? If we are to find Jesus in the OT, I believe we need to start with the surface, and allow the Holy Spirit to take us deeper. Again, thanks for the post.Melaniehttp://worshipvanguard.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com