tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post2658953914538583384..comments2023-06-01T10:52:44.280-04:00Comments on The Gospel-Driven Church: Eleven Signs the Tide is TurningJaredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07454966527986478217noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-85845335653600492332008-12-19T18:12:00.000-05:002008-12-19T18:12:00.000-05:00With this post, you've made it onto my official to...With this post, you've made it onto my official top ten "top ten lists" of 2008. I'll be posting it later on today. Feel free to check out what some of us are trying to do about number 1 on your list at <BR/>newreformation.ning.comfrankfusionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05662401108747483123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-16051675089298304112008-12-13T21:46:00.000-05:002008-12-13T21:46:00.000-05:00I'm with you on this. I would note, in re: Justi...I'm with you on this. I would note, in re: Justin's comment on #6, that of course it's "some great artists and some other filler," because it's always that way; Sturgeon's Law always applies.Rob Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13744370123241743193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-37759958482197354662008-12-12T17:06:00.000-05:002008-12-12T17:06:00.000-05:00Some anecdotal evidence on number 9: My experience...Some anecdotal evidence on number 9: My experience at Baylor has been that the kids who come here with the intention to get involved in Church are going to either more traditional churches (the kind where they're the only people under 50) or seeking out the missional model. Part of the last point has to do with both Antioch and Church Under the Bridge's established success within Waco, but it's still encouraging to see that the attractional model seems to be losing its foothold among college students. At least, that's been my experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-67430113352820639682008-12-12T12:46:00.000-05:002008-12-12T12:46:00.000-05:00I agree w/ this post 100%.. I started listening to...I agree w/ this post 100%.. I started listening to Matt via Itunes almost 2.5 years ago while attending a Willow Creek Model Church and after awhile (take into consideration I am newcomer to my faith 4 years) of listening to the messages something started resonating in my soul and I started having a hunger for the word and closeness to God. <BR/><BR/>Along the way that I started respecting God so much more because I was finding out he was "Just" in everything he does and when I started to wrestle w/ that I then realized how much of impact his grace actually means. <BR/><BR/>I listened to a sermon by Tim Keller yesterday where he was discussing Revivals and the way they have happened in the past and mentioned that it was an organic growth that started w/ nominal Christians and elders of churches that all of sudden "really" get it..and then truly allow God to manifest his glory through them.<BR/><BR/>With the this current economic enviorment and the "Health and Prosperity Gospel" finally dying out due to this economic climate there is a perfect storm brewing for a Christ Exalting Movement. This new movement will be more well rounded and not build a bridge to Jesus by saying "this + Jesus" = success.<BR/><BR/>Sorry for my rant.. :) Here is my list of the big players in this movement that I see that engage in numerous demographics.<BR/><BR/>Matt Chandler<BR/>Tim Keller<BR/>John Piper<BR/>Francis Chan<BR/>Mark Driscoll <BR/>John MacarthurBlendah Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16892141355974152580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-2630846153237733842008-12-12T02:30:00.000-05:002008-12-12T02:30:00.000-05:00I agree there are rays of hope in Evangelicalism, ...I agree there are rays of hope in Evangelicalism, although I'm a little leery about trading in one hangup for another.<BR/><BR/>I'll try to be succinct:<BR/><BR/>1 - This is good if there's a good process to help these types to seek grace and peace. My experience (online and real-life) with the "Young Reformed" movement is that they have a low tolerance for anything they perceive as anti-Calvinistic. I wonder if they'll be able to work with the Lutheran and the Pentecostal for a greater good.<BR/><BR/>2 - I'll take your word for it, I don't know who they are :P<BR/><BR/>3 - I agree, there is a "missional" feel out there, and it seems to be coming from those burning out from the culture wars (IMO). <BR/><BR/>4 - Again I'll take your word for it (ITYW4I) My opinion of Driscoll is mixed, thanks in part to his "macho" motif and his rather obtuse rants on "The Shack."<BR/><BR/>5 - ITYW4I, but LifeChurch represents of the things that bugs me about Evangelicalism -- "Church" means people showing up to watch a pastor thousands of miles. Even if it's a great preacher, and the solid Evangelical Covenant Church is behind them. <BR/><BR/>6 - I agree, you're the only one :P Seriously, I think it's about the same as it was 10 years ago: Some great artists and some other filler.<BR/><BR/>7 - I agree, service seems to be taking a central position. Good thing.<BR/><BR/>8 - ITYW4I -- I avoid blog wars these days.<BR/><BR/>9 - Agreed, as long as reformation occurs instead of cynicism. I see a lot of cynicism instead.<BR/><BR/>10 & 11 - Agreed and Amen.Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00669906878560062392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-45764307653159345382008-12-11T17:17:00.000-05:002008-12-11T17:17:00.000-05:00Heh - funny that your CCM comment got the most run...Heh - funny that your CCM comment got the most run thus far (I agree w you, btw). <BR/><BR/>Just last week I was telling a very discouraged bro that things aren't as bad as they look, that the "tide is turning". So I'm with you in your optimism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-86045396641411352682008-12-11T15:10:00.000-05:002008-12-11T15:10:00.000-05:00Man, I hope you're right. I really hope you're ri...Man, I hope you're right. I really hope you're right. And I'm beginning to think perhaps you are!<BR/><BR/>PS. Since I gave up on CCM a long time ago, I wasn't aware of this trend you mention. Dare I risk giving it another chance!Bob Spencerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06400471363764020869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-538825134834187144.post-89753605294139009232008-12-11T12:53:00.000-05:002008-12-11T12:53:00.000-05:00Go on with your bad self! Not sure I agree with th...Go on with your bad self! Not sure I agree with the CCM thing, but other than that, I'm with you. I've said to a few people that I think we're on the verge of a resurgence (no pun...) for the reasons you state. Good stuff!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com